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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->Hi Everyone -
\r\nI\'m just evaluating what training method to use to housebreak a new puppy (I don\'t have one yet - still in the education stage!), and the general consensus seems to be crate training is the way to go. I can\'t help by feel its kind of cruel/mean to keep a young animal "locked in a cage" - anyone have thoughts on this?
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->I used to think that myself, but no more. My dogs look at their crates as their safe spots and safe havens. If they get scared, that\'s where they go (except for when they run to me, of course). It\'s their place, and they know it. Now I don\'t keep them \'locked up\' in them. If they get scolded, sometimes they are told to go in their crates, which are unlocked. They know how to open the door and they do, and they do it a lot on their own. They love to lay down and stretch out in the crate. I\'m just sold on it. Sometimes I need them to go in there when the doorbell rings. They just run in there. I tend to lock the door, but they know I\'m coming right back. Now I do have an open crate. By that I mean, there are no walls that some crates have. This means my dogs have a complete view of everything. I would never get one with walls. That is cruel to me. My dogs can see everything and follow me around unless I leave the room. They love that.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '-><!-' + '- AMS SECOND IN POST -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->A crate is a great tool for dogs not yet housebroken and for those months when they go through the chewing phase. Once neither of those conditions are no longer present, no crate is needed unless you use it like Orry does.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->My brother used a large cage with his dog (a flat coat retriever) when it was young. It took months for it to learn not to chew and not to eat everything (non food items) so it was safer for her to be in her cage if she had to be left for a couple of hours. She saw it as a safe place to be.
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->We used a crate for the first couple of months until the bigger of our two labs figured out how to get out of it all by herself. I guess it\'s true what they say about a lab\'s high intelligence level, lol.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->I\'ve never crate trained a dog, but my mother-in-law just finished training her puppy. There is no way she could have managed training that puppy without that crate! Of course, she used it to help get her older dog used to the puppy & keep the puppy safe from the older dog. The older dog is old, has arthritis & is pretty set in his ways so there were days that the puppy decided it was better to lay in the crate.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->I have never used a crate so I don\'t really know much about it. I have only had one dog at a time so I haven\'t really needed to use a crate, but I can see why it would help during the chewing stage.
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->It is best to establish a close bond with your puppy prior to doing any training. You should not cage him yet. Having a close bond is a key to an easier and successful dog training. Laos, your dedication, time, and patience are important do successfully do this. Hope this helps! 
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It is best to establish a close bond with your puppy prior to doing any training. You should not cage him yet. Having a close bond is a key to an easier and successful dog training. Laos, your dedication, time, and patience are important do successfully do this. Hope this helps!
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->I think people get concerned because of the idea of locking up the dogs, but really their door is usually open. It\'s only closed when I need to be, like visitors or something they don\'t know. I don\'t like those closed up ones, though, where they can\'t see. As I said, mine is clear all the way around. They can see everything.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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I think people get concerned because of the idea of locking up the dogs, but really their door is usually open. It\'s only closed when I need to be, like visitors or something they don\'t know. I don\'t like those closed up ones, though, where they can\'t see. As I said, mine is clear all the way around. They can see everything.
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->no it is the first thing that should be done with a new pup.It is simple to train for the crate,when you feed the pup feed in the crate and do not at first close the door when you do start to secure the door do it in short time periods. Have owned many dogs,also many breeds many were working breeds that We traveled with,all dogs and bitches were crated in the van(or pu truck) it is a safe place for the dog and for your safety.If by chance you have a accident that dogs is now a projectile bounceing in the vechicle.If you plan on purchasing a pup(dog) you now have an obligation for the up keep and training of that dog.Living with a well trained dog is a joy and fun for both owner and dog,basic ob is a great start.If you purchase a dog have fun,for you and the dog.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->How long would be the chewing stage? Would it depend on the kind of dog that you have?<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->The one I was given with my puppy wasn\'t clear all the way around and when I\'ve gone shopping, there are many options that are like 3 walls and a door. I don\'t like those at all.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '-><!-' + '- AMS FIRST IN POST -' + '->\r\n
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Ugh, after today, I am definitely buy Rocky a crate! The dog decided to tear up a door while we were cleaning the living room! I mean, he literally started chewing on the bottom of the door & ripped strips from it.... Gah, I do not even want to look at him right now, I am so mad.
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Is crate training cruel?
Hi Everyone -
I'm just evaluating what training method to use to housebreak a new puppy (I don't have one yet - still in the education stage!), and the general consensus seems to be crate training is the way to go. I can't help by feel its kind of cruel/mean to keep a young animal "locked in a cage" - anyone have thoughts on this?
Thanks!
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