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    Shock Collars and Puppies

    A friend's puppy has started chewing on everything in sight and my friend wants to use a shock collar to curb this habit.
    I think the pup will not associate a shock with chewing. The exercise is useless, but may harm the pup.

    I need some new areguments to convince him to get rid of the shock collar idea. I've tried talking with him about alternatives like closing the closet doors and crate training the pup, but I'm running out alternatives.

    What would you say to someone insisting on questionable training methods with a puppy?

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    I would tell him that it is wrong plain and simple. He should be training the dog not to touch and he should provide it with plenty of toys to chew. If you had a toddler in the house you would put things out of reach so that they didn't get broken, and you would teach the child not to touch by saying no, but you wouldn't physically hurt the child for doing what comes naturally - unless you were an abusive parent. The same applies to puppies!



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    The humane way to solve this problem is to watch the puppy closely. Whenever he puts something inappropriate in his mouth, in a clam voice say "no, no, no, don't chew on this ... here chew on this" as you place an appropriate item in his mouth. The puppy should NOT have a huge number of toys. I suggest 4 toys all of different textures. Maybe a hard object such as a Nylabone. A softer object such as a kong type toy. Something a little softer like a knotted rope. Finally something real soft and fuzzy like a sqeak toy. Having few toys will make it easier on him to determine which are ok to chew and which aren't. Again, IMMEDIATELY take away an inappropriate item and replace it with an appropriate one of a similar texture.

    Remember that puppies chew. It's what they do. They have a great psychological need to chew. It's how they explore thier world. They have no concept of value so a $2,000 dining room table has the same value to him as a stick that has fallen out of the tree outside.
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    STA70219.jpgShock collars are downright cruel, and having over 25 years experience in training dogs and helping other people to do so, I have never come across any dog that should be treated in this way, let alone a young puppy that is doing what every puppy needs to do, and that is chew. Chewing helps aleviate the pain, that's why young babies are given teething rings, or rings that can be frozen, or a gel put on their gums. Giving the puppy chew toys that serve a similar function would be helpful, along with removing things that they would prefer the pup not to touch, or teaching it in a kind way not to touch, and giving it something it can, like it's own chew toy, or a Kong with treats stuffed in it - can be frozen, will help with the teething, as a distraction.

    Tell your 'friend' to try a shock collar on themself first, and see if they then think it suitable to use on a young animal that is never going to understand what it is being hurt for, let alone deserve this treatment.

    If your 'friend' doesn't see sense, then I would suggest that they are not worth having as a friend, having no compassion or understanding of a young animals needs.

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    I would tell your friend that puppies need time and attention to teach them the correct way to behave. If you take on a puppy (or any dog) you have to expect that thee will be a few mishaps and an occasion mess. If you can't deal with that and you can't put in the time and effort to teach the dog properly then you shouldn't have dogs at all.



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    I'm totally against shock collars that give off charges. It's just plain cruel. There are other kinds of collars that are more humane, but I prefer training and patience.
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    Tell your friend to have more patience and learn how to associate dogs to humans. Animals have feelings too! I guess he forgot about that.
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    I really worry about my fellow human beings sometimes, What on earth would make anyone think that it was appropriate to use a shock collar on a puppy? I wish people would think through the consequences of their actions.



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    I absolutely agree with you but unfortunately a too many people don't. In situations like this the animals ALWAYS suffer. Either just by the out and out cruelty inflicted upon them, the learned helplessness via the negative conditioning of the shock - or later, when/if the dog through fear maybe bites someone. What happens then? The dog gets beaten again, or put down. Its just plain cruel. The person in question should not own a pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justontime View Post
    I really worry about my fellow human beings sometimes, What on earth would make anyone think that it was appropriate to use a shock collar on a puppy? I wish people would think through the consequences of their actions.
    I absolutely agree with you but unfortunately too many people don't. In situations like this the animals ALWAYS suffer. Either just by the out and out cruelty inflicted upon them, and/or the 'learned helplessness' via the negative conditioning of the shock - or later, when/if the dog through fear maybe bites someone. What happens then? The dog gets beaten again, or put down. Its just plain cruel. The person in question should not own a pet.

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