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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->A friend\'s puppy has started chewing on everything in sight and my friend wants to use a shock collar to curb this habit.
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->I would tell him that it is wrong plain and simple. He should be training the dog not to touch and he should provide it with plenty of toys to chew. If you had a toddler in the house you would put things out of reach so that they didn\'t get broken, and you would teach the child not to touch by saying no, but you wouldn\'t physically hurt the child for doing what comes naturally - unless you were an abusive parent. The same applies to puppies!
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->The humane way to solve this problem is to watch the puppy closely. Whenever he puts something inappropriate in his mouth, in a clam voice say "no, no, no, don\'t chew on this ... here chew on this" as you place an appropriate item in his mouth. The puppy should NOT have a huge number of toys. I suggest 4 toys all of different textures. Maybe a hard object such as a Nylabone. A softer object such as a kong type toy. Something a little softer like a knotted rope. Finally something real soft and fuzzy like a sqeak toy. Having few toys will make it easier on him to determine which are ok to chew and which aren\'t. Again, IMMEDIATELY take away an inappropriate item and replace it with an appropriate one of a similar texture.
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->STA70219.jpgShock collars are downright cruel, and having over 25 years experience in training dogs and helping other people to do so, I have never come across any dog that should be treated in this way, let alone a young puppy that is doing what every puppy needs to do, and that is chew. Chewing helps aleviate the pain, that\'s why young babies are given teething rings, or rings that can be frozen, or a gel put on their gums. Giving the puppy chew toys that serve a similar function would be helpful, along with removing things that they would prefer the pup not to touch, or teaching it in a kind way not to touch, and giving it something it can, like it\'s own chew toy, or a Kong with treats stuffed in it - can be frozen, will help with the teething, as a distraction.
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\nUsing a shock collar is simply cruel punishment for something the puppy will naturally do. The puppy is probably teething, and just like a human baby it will need something to ease the pain of new teeth trying to push through, but even so, dogs chew no matter what their age, thats just a part of being a dog. DO you think shock collars would be allowed on any other animal? Here in Australia someone using such a collar could be in trouble with the RSPCA.
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\nThere are a variety of excellent responses to your question here and your friend needs to read them. I don\'t mean to sound harsh but from what you\'ve said it seems to me your friend is either totally unaware of what dogs need, in which case he/she shouldn\'t have a pet or worse still, your friend may be just plain lazy and wants to take the \'easy\' way out, for him. Its not the easy way, the compassionate way or the right way for the poor puppy.
\nUsing a shock collar is simply cruel punishment for something the puppy will naturally do. The puppy is probably teething, and just like a human baby it will need something to ease the pain of new teeth trying to push through, but even so, dogs chew no matter what their age, thats just a part of being a dog. DO you think shock collars would be allowed on any other animal? Here in Australia someone using such a collar could be in trouble with the RSPCA.
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\nPerhaps your friend shouldn\'t own a dog at all, or at least, wait until they acquire some knowledge about dogs. Ask your friend how he/she would respond to shocking as a means of learning. Ask him if he would like to be shocked every time he did something HE DIDN\'T KNOW WAS WRONG. Ask him if thats a way he would like to learn a new behaviour, and when he says no, ask how he could learn something new, and then apply some if not all of that knowledge to how he/she treats the puppy. Theres not a huge amount of difference in basic conditioning between humans and animal babies.
\nShocking an animal is purely and simply appalling cruelty and will create serious behavioural problems further down the track. The dog will be frightened of many things, including its owner, who should be more than that, they should be its carer too. Read the posts by RubyRoo and Bill. I sure hope you can convince him/her to listen to the people on the forum here because I feel deeply sorry for that poor puppy.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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What would you say to someone insisting on questionable training methods with a puppy?
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\nThere are a variety of excellent responses to your question here and your friend needs to read them. I don\'t mean to sound harsh but from what you\'ve said it seems to me your friend is either totally unaware of what dogs need, in which case he/she shouldn\'t have a pet, or worse still your friend may be just plain lazy and wants to take the \'easy\' way out, for them [which still means they shouldnt have a pet]. Its not the easy way, the compassionate way or the right way for the poor puppy.
\nUsing a shock collar is simply a cruel punishment for something the puppy will naturally do. The puppy is probably teething, and just like a human baby it will need something to ease the pain of new teeth trying to push through, but even so, dogs chew no matter what their age, thats just a part of being a dog. DO you think shock collars would be allowed on any other animal? Here in Australia someone using such a collar could be in trouble with the RSPCA.
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\nAsk him how he could learn something new, and then apply some if not all of that knowledge to how he/she treats the puppy. Theres not a huge amount of difference in basic conditioning between human and animal babies.
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\nShocking an animal is purely and simply appalling cruelty and anyone who does it should not own a cactus let alone an animal. If he does continue on with this cruelty, the pup will grow to be a dog with serious behavioural problems further down the track. It will be frightened of many things, including its owner, someone by the way who should be more than that, they should be its CARER too. Read the posts by RubyRoo and Bill and then try to convince your friend to do the same, and apply some of the wisdom found here. I sure hope you can convince him/her to listen because I feel deeply sorry for that poor puppy. Good luck.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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\r\n <!-' + '- google_ad_section_start -' + '->You wouldn\'t expect a human baby to not put things in its mouth that it can reach. Just like when you child-proof your home for a young baby you must do the same thing for a puppy. It is NEVER the dog\'s fault for chewing on things you don\'t want them to chew on, it is the owners fault. You must pick up things that you don\'t want chewed on and correct the dog when they chew on things that are unacceptable by saying, \'no.\' and giving the dog something that they are allowed to chew on. You must be consistent, if you don\'t want your dog to chew on your socks/shoes/cords etc. ALWAYS correct them. If you don\'t correct them every time you are re-enforcing the bad behavior. It is much easier to train a dog using positive re-enforcement rather than negative re-enforcement. Crates need to be used when you can\'t watch your puppy/dog even if it is for a couple of minutes while you go to the restroom. Physically punishing a puppy/dog only teaches them not to trust humans. If you don\'t have the time to train a puppy you shouldn\'t have a puppy.<!-' + '- google_ad_section_end -' + '->\r\n
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Shock Collars and Puppies
A friend's puppy has started chewing on everything in sight and my friend wants to use a shock collar to curb this habit.
I think the pup will not associate a shock with chewing. The exercise is useless, but may harm the pup.
I need some new areguments to convince him to get rid of the shock collar idea. I've tried talking with him about alternatives like closing the closet doors and crate training the pup, but I'm running out alternatives.
What would you say to someone insisting on questionable training methods with a puppy?
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